tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773807686982133581.post4271663516452125798..comments2023-10-14T06:28:12.284-07:00Comments on Wikibooks News: Thinking about project mergersWhiteknighthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16207472474429254890noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773807686982133581.post-31416944885904130052009-05-11T08:15:00.000-07:002009-05-11T08:15:00.000-07:00in truth there is no real "ownership" at de.wb. pe...in truth there is no real "ownership" at de.wb. people think there is for two reasons:<br /><br />1) they are the only persons writing at a book. -- there are nearly no other contributors to a book at de.wb. i don't know why. maybe it's the mood not to change the work of other people except correcting something.<br /><br />2) changes of other persons except the main author will be just reverted if they do not fit obviously. if a main author does not accept an edit he is most often right with his opinion. as long i am active at de.wb i never realized a situation when a main author did not accept a fitting change.<br /><br />so, in reality there is no concept of ownership. there are also no pages being protected just because the author wished it. that's why i wouldn't say that the values you showed here are not common for de.wb. ;)heuler06noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773807686982133581.post-72875371863259580602009-05-10T17:04:00.000-07:002009-05-10T17:04:00.000-07:00That's a very interesting situation, heuler06. How...That's a very interesting situation, heuler06. However, I can't really see how that would be acceptable on a wiki. The problem is, I think, that people on de.wikibooks are allowing a concept of "ownership" by saying that there is one "main author" who can make decisions that other users cannot.<br /><br />On en.wikibooks there are a few common values that we try to follow:<br />1) All users are equal, from the newest user to the most experienced admin.<br />2) Nobody owns a page or a book. No person has more authority to make decisions then any other.<br />3) The wiki is editable: We do not allow static content (that is for wikisource) and we do not allow users to restrict who can and cannot edit.<br />4) Nothing is ever "finished", so long as people want to edit it.<br /><br />So if the proposition of protecting a "finished" book was raised on en.wikibooks, it would be denied quickly. <br /><br />That said, it might be valuable to take permalinks to "last approved version", but let the community continue to edit the pages.Whiteknighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16207472474429254890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773807686982133581.post-64173072700049642312009-05-10T09:42:00.000-07:002009-05-10T09:42:00.000-07:00at de.wb there were already discussions about some...at de.wb there were already discussions about something similar: it was discussed whether a book shall be protected infinitely if the "main author" has finished it in his opinion and if he wishes so. as i understand the discussions there is no "official" consent 'til now but it seems that nearly everybody thinks that the "main author" has this "power" to make the admins protect a book, cf. e.g. http://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Meinungsbilder/_Mitautor_an_einem_Werk_werden. at the moment i am not able to find another, more specific discussion about this. i think there is one but i can also err. ;)heuler06noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3773807686982133581.post-53279815342142367862009-05-05T01:54:00.000-07:002009-05-05T01:54:00.000-07:00I like the idea; in particular, the idea of a "bas...I like the idea; in particular, the idea of a "base" version and a "community" version. Whether the merger happens or not, we should experiement with this idea. I.e. we should start to allow "base" versions, which can only be edited by the original donator/author (and other authors by invitation) and a community version, which can be edited by everyone. This would be the kind of protection of books that would make wikibooks much more attractive for a lot of authors from academia.Martin Kraushttp://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Martin_Krausnoreply@blogger.com